While reading this, you might sitting at a coffee table and reading Kierkegaard...
Well, I bet you got time to think for awhile about our topic before....
Hence, here is food for thought....
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1) The difference between a DEAD LANGUAGE and an EXTINCT LANGUAGE. Support your answer with research.
2) Do you think some languages are facing extinction? In danger of dying? Does ecology have to do with the death of cultures, languages?
Well, let's discuss about this. No worries, its not going to harm you.
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Here, a quote to share with all of you...
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1) A dead language is known as a language which was formerly spoken but has died completely as mother tongue or no longer spoken by a natively. But people still can speak them fluently as a second language. A dead language is simply known as a language which is evolved. Like English. Old English, Middle English and Early Modern English are all dead, but not extinct because their influences can still be found in Modern English. Same with Latin, even though nobody speaks it natively, it's influences can be found in English, Spanish, Italian, French, and a lot more Indo-European languages.
ReplyDeleteExtinct language means that there is no more speakers. Not even second language. The only source for these languages are texts. One of the example of extinct language is, Old Church Slavonic.
Hmmm,Vaishnawi is hard at work during the break...well done!
ReplyDeleteBy the way,what about Sanskrit?Dead or extinct???
What about the others?Sleeping?hehehe...
:D THANK YOU Maam.
DeleteWell i did some research regarding Sanskrit language,
Basically, Sanskrit language first emerged around 2,000 to 1,000 B.C.E. It's one of the oldest languages still in existence, and linguists have grouped it with the Indo-European languages, such as French, German, and English, which may share a common ancestor language. Based on my research, Sanskrit is considered as dead language because Sanskrit still used today. For instance, Vedas, many religious works, influential Indian poetry and drama, and early scientific and mathematic documents were originally written in Sanskrit. As we could see nowadays the Indian priest in most of the temples are using Sanskrit language to recite their prayers. So it clearly shows that Sanskrit language is a dead language because, it was formerly spoken but has died completely as mother tongue or no longer spoken by a natively. But people still can speak them fluently as a second language.
According to my research in WIKIPEDIA, it stated that, a little more than two hundred thousand people in the World can speak Sanskrit very well. Sanskrit is an old language and it is mostly used by priests and scholars of old texts including many religious ones. Many people know at least a little Sanskrit because of the importance it has to other Indian languages and the Hindu religion. Moreover, Sanskrit was used widely in ancient times, but nowadays there are very few areas in the World where this language is spoken. It was invented in India, and some communities in India still speak in Sanskrit. Many Asian Buddhists can also speak Sanskrit. It is found in Hindu holy writings and hymns. It is known to be used regularly in some areas in South India, though.So i would say sanskrit language is a DEAD LANGUAGE because it was formerly spoken but has died completely as mother tongue. But people still can speak them fluently as a second language.
Maam, Sanskrit is a dead language.. because extinct language is a language that has no longer speakers.. Sanskrit language is still used in hindu temples by the priest..
ReplyDeleteand Sanskrit still widely used in India.. used for mantras and to sing devotional songs in temples.. It's priest second language.. might be.. :)
ReplyDeleteGEETHA NAIR...
DeleteAn extinct language is a language which no longer has any native speakers or that is no longer in current use. Generally this occurs when a language is directly replaced by a different one, for example Coptic, which was replaced by Arabic, or in Italy, Etruscan, which was replaced by Latin.
By extension, a language which has no native speakers in the youngest generation (or which in a stricter definition, has stopped to be the Lingua Franca in its traditional linguistic areas) is called “moribund”, while a language with a very few native speakers is called “endangered” or “imperilled”.
Dead language is refer to an older language which was changed significantly and evolved into a new language group. Latin for example, is a dead language as it has no native speakers, but it is the base of Italian and all other modern Romance languages.
In some cases, an extinct or dead language may remain in use for scientific, legal, or religious functions. Latin is one of the many extinct languages used as sacred languages.
Based on my research, dead language is one which no one speaks or uses as a first language and is often replaced by another language. Latin, for example, was replaced by Spanish, French, Italian and Portuguese; or the Coptic language which was replaced by Arabic. Old English is also in this category since it is no longer spoken, although numerous detailed examples of it (i.e., literature) still widely exist.
DeleteAn extinct language on the other hand is one which no longer has any speakers at all.Recently extinct languages include Cochimi, which was spoken from north of Loreto to the northern part of the Baja California peninsula, Eyak, historically spoken in south central Alaska and the Kakadu or Gaagudju language was spoken in northern Australia, in the environs of what is now known as Kakadu National Park.
Maam, Sanskrit is not a dead language based on my reseach In spite of being arguably the oldest language of the world, Sanskrit is very much alive. Several universities, not only in India but all over the globe, offer courses in Sanskrit. Sanskrit is one of the 18 plus official languages of India. Films are still made in India in Sanskrit.
DeleteNews are broadcast in Sanskrit both on Radio and TV in India. Books are published totally in Sanskrit. There are some places in India where nothing but Sanskrit is spoken. There are musicians/song writers who compose songs. (http://www.aksharayoga.com/blog/is-sanskrit-a-dead-language/)
Hmmm,interesting...good to know that you guys are showing some interest...where are the others???
ReplyDeletehere i am mam :)....i agree with premasha....as she said sanskrit is still using by all the priest in temple....besides that most of the indian names are in sanskrit....for an example your name mam....Saradha....its origin is sanskrit and it means the godness of learning....until today almost all the indian names are from sanskrit....
Delete:D just did research after looking at your comment my name.... Vaishnavi.... is a sanskrit name. :D
Delete:)oh izzit?so what did your name says about you?
Deleteagree with Kamini's research.. :)
ReplyDeleteI sort of disagree with the fact stated above that Latin is an extinct language. Just like Sanskrit, Latin is offered as a course in numerous universities in Europe and the American continent. Not to mention over the past few years, the usage of Latin has been revived especially in the Catholic church, incorporating an increase in the use of Latin in religious ceremonies, and services; even in Malaysia! So I would say that it is possible for a language to become "UN-dead" or in other words, come alive with the proper initiative. Although Latin can be considered as a dead language by many, it's somewhat active use over the present years may prove to show that a dead language can become alive.
ReplyDeletei couldn't agree more with jacinta. many consider latin as an extinct language because it is not consider as a first language anymore since it is an ancient language but that doesn't mean it is extinct. Latin language is still being used for scientific purpose. scientific name for corn is zea mays and it is in latin language. it is not extinct since it is still being used.
DeleteA dead language is known as a language which not being used or speaks by the native speakers of the particular language. In a simple word, we can say that this language is not being practiced or learned as a “native language”. For your kind information, dead language’s can be described as a language which is not spoken actively but it was being used actively in written form. The best example would the “Latin” language, this language is not being used actively in spoke wise but in written form it still have a lot of demand.
ReplyDeleteNot only that, based on my research in this topic, I found out that a language called ”LENAPE” is dying. The origin speaker for this language is the (NATIVE AMERICAN’S IN NORTH AMERICA). This language can be grouped as a dead language because the speakers switched to English language. The reasons that contribute to this are because English has more power and being used globally.
What are the reasons to the death of language? Actually, if we look deeper on this issue, we may found several reasons that contributing to the death of language. In my research, I found out that the best two factors would be parent’s/ older generation of a particular are failed or disabled to deliver the knowledge or the language to the younger generation. Another reason is culture assimilation, which is known as colonialism period. During this era, English language is being emphasized and also forced to be used for everything. Thus certain groups of people tend to ignore their own mother tongue. As a result, these languages are being genocide.
Extinct language can be described as language which is totally not being used anymore since there are no any native speakers for this language. I believe this example would give you better information on extinct language. A person called as “BO SR” has died at age of 85 and was the last person of “AKA-BO” language. It was formerly used at on the Andaman and Nicobar Islands. Not only that, AKA-BO is the extinct language of INDIA.
That’s all from me…. Any mistakes please do correct me guys.. Thank you
Based on my research, a dead language is a language which is no longer learned as a native language. Examples of dead languages are Coptic, Ancient Greek, Latin, and Sanskirt, Dead languages actually have numbers of speakers which exceed those of modern or living languages, languages which are learned as native tongues.In some cases, a dead language change into a modern language. For example, Latin contribute to Spanish, French, Italian, and Portuguese, while Sanskrit was the source of many Indian languages. In these instances,
ReplyDeleteWhile , an extinct language is a language that don’t have any native speakers or no longer in current use. Basically ,it happen when a language is replaced by a different language. In other hand, language extinct I also refers to a languages that are no longer being learned by new generations of children or by new adult speakers; these languages will become extinct when their last speaker dies.
Old English is the example of a dead language, which refers to the language that is no longer being learnt by the native speakers as their first language. The death of old English is due to the colonization by other imperialistic countries which has totally changed the language into a form of other new language. In other word, a dead language transforms into a new language which is spoken by English speaking countries nowadays, and also by us.
ReplyDeleteextinct language is the language which has no longer sources to refer to as the last speakers of that language has died.
will come up with more examples after this. still doing a deep research about extinct language....:-)
Totally agree with Rosnina, Old English and as well as Middle English can be consider as a dead languages BUT as we realize until now English itself survives as Modern English in several dialects, such as Standard American, British and Indian, as well as Scots, Australian, South African and etc.
DeleteBased on my research, dead language is a process that affects speech communities where the level of linguistic competence that speakers possess of a given language variety is decreased, eventually resulting in no native and/or fluent speakers of the variety. Language death may affect any language idiom, including dialects and languages.
ReplyDeleteLanguage death should not be confused with language attrition (also called language loss) which describes the loss of proficiency in a language at the individual level. On the other hand, extinct language is a language that no longer has any speakers,or that is no longer in current use. Extinct languages are sometimes contrasted with dead languages, which are still known and used in special contexts in written form, but not as ordinary spoken languages for everyday communication. However, language extinction and language death are often equated.
Normally the transition from a spoken to an extinct language occurs when a language undergoes language death while being directly replaced by a different one. For example, Native American languages were replaced by English, French, Portuguese, or Spanish as a result of colonization.
By contrast to an extinct language which no longer has any speakers, a dead language may remain in use for scientific, legal, or ecclesiastical functions. Old Church Slavonic, Avestan, Coptic, Biblical Hebrew, Ge'ez and Latin are among the many dead languages used as sacred languages.
Sometimes a language that has changed so much that linguists describe it as a different language (or different stage) is called "extinct", as in the case of Old English, a forerunner of Modern English. But in such cases, the language never ceased to be used by speakers, and as linguist's subdivisions in the process of language change are fairly arbitrary, such forerunner languages are not properly speaking extinct.
A language that currently has living native speakers is called a modern language. Ethnologue records 7,358 living languages known.
Hebrew is an example of a nearly extinct spoken language (by the first definition above) that became a lingua franca and a liturgical language that has been revived to become a living spoken language. There are other attempts at language revival. In general, the success of these attempts has been subject to debate, as it is not clear they will ever become the common native language of a community of speakers.
It is believed that 90% of the circa 7,000 languages currently spoken in the world will have become extinct by 2050, as the world's language system has reached a crisis and is dramatically restructuring.
Dead language is known as language which not being used by native speakers . Example of dead languages is Sumerian and Akkadian , this languages are worlds very first written languages which used in ancient mesopotomia. Sumerian language comes first almost 5000 years ago around the year 3100 B.C , sumerian writing was scratched into soft clay tablets with pointed reed that cbeen cut into wedge shape. Sumerian and Akkadian are dead languages , they died for good and no one knew them , was able to read them or taught them for almost two millennia. This both language is different from other languages such as latin , greek, and Hebrew, there is no uninterrupted tradition in term of studying sumerian and akkadian language .
ReplyDeleteExcint language is a language that don’t have any native speakers . The best example is zoques language from southern mexico. And experts at the Mexican Institute for Indigenous Languages fear the Zoque tongue will die out because of their feud. I got a article from The Sun London paper regarding on zoque language .
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/483058/Ancient-language-Faces-extinction-Last-two-speakers-Argument.html
Hehehe,so I"m the goddess of learning,hmmm,interesting....see how much you guys have learnt through your research....
ReplyDeleteHello and good day,
ReplyDeleteI’m sorry for the late update to answer this question.
Pardon me Miss Sarada.
Anyway, here is my research for extinct language and dead language.
Endangered language is languages that will extinct in the future. These languages become extinct when the language is no longer learned by the new generations or new adult speakers. When the person who speaks the language died, the language is extinct. Based on UNESCO who publish regularly the extinct language, some examples of extinct languages are Aore, Apolista, Arta, Arin, Bassay and Bina. As outiright genocide is the cause of language becomes extinct, a community finds itself under pressure to integrate with a larger or more powerful group. This happened when European invaders kill the Tasmanian in 19th century. The loses of language cause a great lose of its cultural identity.
Regarding dead language, it is no longer learned as native language. Examples of dead languages include Ancient Greek, Latin and Sanskrit. In some cases, these languages are evolving into today’s languages and better known as Modern Greek, Spanish, French, and Italian, Portuguese, and Indian language. With new invention of technology, undeciphered scripts are found and it is believed these scripts have been used before the language is dead. The scripts include Liber Linteus ( it was wrapping on a mummy), The Rhononc Codex ( the code/symbols of Christians, pagan and Muslim origins), Rongorongo ( the system of glyphs on massive stone statues), Vinca Symbols ( created between 4500 until 4800 B.C.E and used as religion purposes) and Proto Elamite Script ( used by the oldest civilization of Iran over a large geographical area). These languages will nevr been understood but its remained as complexity of our own history as a species.
Here is my research...
ReplyDeleteA dead language can be refers to old English and middle English which become dead because the particular language no more used by speakers or community.But, English still survives as modern English in some dialects such as Standard American,British and Indian.Apart from that,a dead language also which is no longer learned as a native language.some examples of dead languages are Ancient Greek,Latin and Sanskrit.
An extinct language can be defined as as no any living people use or speak it and it is replaced by other languages.example of extinct languages are Sanskrit and Church Slavonic.
Are you sure,Revathi?
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ReplyDeleteI’m sorry for the late update
Dead language is referring to an older language which has changed significantly and we can say language which is no longer learned as a native language. Dead languages we can say language which is not spoken and the people change it to another language for example Old English, Middle English and Early Modern English are all we can say dead but not extinct. Latin is a dead language.
Including huge numbers of Native American languages which died out with European colonialism.
An extinct language is a language that doesn’t have any native speakers.for example zoques language from southern Mexico.
Looking at all the answers,first i thought dead and extinct was the same.This is really confusing then after searching for a very long time,i realize that extinct language is a contrast of dead language. Extinct is Dinosaur.Its no more.No living people speak it ,this includes Anglo-Saxon(old English).Meaning no more.But on the other hand ,dead language is still alive but its not. Confusing? yes i am too.I'll take my favorite language Sanskrit *unfortunately the research says it is a dead language.Not really dead,*Sanskrit had ceased to be a language in use "is nothing but ignorance of reality*.I think most of the dead language has the same definition.Dead language is used for special things such as rituals.Personally thinking,the word dead language is so wrong.How can it be still alive when its dead? I think that's why most of us are confused. Dead language has chances to be alive just like Sanskrit.Now there are courses for Sanskrit all over the world such as these "Although Sanskrit began to be taught at the University of Michigan, as early as the 1890s as part of Oriental languages, today, it is attracting large undergraduate crowds. " The last conference of the International Association of Sanskrit studies held at Turin, in Italy, according to Brockington was, an eye-opener. There were a number of Sanskrit scholars from the Eastern European countries, including Poland, Hungary, Croatia, Bulgaria, and Russia." "News are broadcast in Sanskrit both on Radio and TV in India. Books are published totally in Sanskrit. There are some places in India where nothing but Sanskrit is spoken. There are musicians/song writers who compose songs spontaneously in Sanskrit – such as my spiritual Guru Sri Ganapati Sachchidananda Swamiji. Poetry is still written in Sanskrit."
ReplyDeleteSo what I'm trying to say here is dead language has chances to rise and it all depend on us.Extinct is a little bit complicated as it is dead like really DEAD unless we can we get the documents.
The real extinct language in India that i have found is Bo,"Bo one of the world’s oldest languages, has come to an end with the death of Boa Sr, the last speaker of this language, among the Great Andamanese tribes. While Andaman Islands are believed to be an anthropologists dream, little is being done to preserve their heritage, says an expert."
Precisely agree that ecology plays an important role of saving or killing the language and culture.A very recent and obvious example i can say is Tamil.Ok, first of all i don't want to share something that I'm unfamiliar with.This is an example my other non-indian friends can think about.I realize that Tamil language ,it seems like has became a defect to most tamil students to have a better environment among friends.Like what i mean is most of the Tamilians claim that they can't speak Tamil or they are not Tamilians.They rather claim that English is their mother tongue(how pathetic). Is this because there isn't a requirement for Tamil in most Jobs? There is no demand for Tamil anywhere in Malaysia? or it's not COOL AT ALL? Im sure my Malay ,Chinese and Indian friends understand what I'm trying to say and Im sure you have experience it.Like a tan skin really look like an Indian and has all the qualities of being an Indian but say they don't speak Indian.Hence,these ecological defects are the one that causes such beautiful language to die and even Extict. Let's just don't read and learn it,lets be rather emotionally waking up and save what is left.It's not just about learning and memorizing all that we capture in class,its about adopting it and practicing it in our daily life,that's the reason why we educate ourselves. I'm sorry if i was totally out of topic,but i just want to share my research and what i personally think.Im still a lil' confused but I'm aware.
hai arvint I am here to help u on the difference between dead language and extinct language.... A dead language is a language which is evolved or a language which is no longer spoken natively (died completely as mother tongue) but they still use as a second language...... Extinct language means, there are no more speakers not even second language the only source for the languages are texts. Well u can refer to my 1st comment I have explained with examples..
ReplyDeleteguess that i am the last one to comment on this post...
ReplyDeletegenerally, dead language and extinct language are 2 different things...
dead language still survive in this world, but not for an extinct language...
an extinct language is vanished from this world, like anglo-norman, one of the romance languages...
there is no speaker for extinct languages, but there is reference for it, like written or drawing artifacts...
for dead languages, there are speakers for it, just that the language is not promoted, or let the younger generation inherit it...
this is because they might not given priority if they spoke that particular language...
or might not gain respect, social status or better job opportunities...
so they used it as a second language, in communication, but not in official matter...
sooner or later, these languages will be extinct, it's just the matter of time...
i hope that madam would read mine and leave a comment...
just because i am the last one to post >.<
really nice explanation adam..I could understand the differences between both in simpler version that you wrote..(^_^)
DeleteYakshinee,I could follow you initially,but when I came to the last paragraph,I found it difficult to do so ....so what has a tanned skin got to do wit ext.inct/dead language.....?!!!
ReplyDeletei was too in depth about something else i guess mdm.Sorry,just some facts around me that i wish to share. hehe sorry if i tangled ur brain receptors..hehe
Deleteoh yea,i was trying to relate it to the second question.It was not about skin color,istead,i gave a real example.examples that are real.like what is happening currently.effects on how can can a language die.culture does effect.
DeleteHmm,finally,you have taken part,Adam...I do read all the comments,Adam.Yes,you have shown that you have understood the difference between extinct/ dead language.
ReplyDeleteThis is for all..A dead language is not really 'dead' in the true sense of the word...that's why the English language is sometimes a rather "strange ' language...don't you think so???
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ReplyDeletemadam sound like i was missing for a long time...
it sounds like i am a mystery... >.<
yupp, instead of naming it as dead language, it should be named as 'static language'
dead language sounds bad, for me, it shows the lack of sense in respect, i mean in naming a language as dead language
besides that, dead and extinct, it sounds almost the same
the dinosaur is extinct because all of them are dead
i know this is a funny example...
but that is what i think about
madam i think i got it after reading adam's post. Latin is a dead language, not an extinct language.
ReplyDeleteEventhough Latin began to lose its dominant position as the main language during 15th century, it is still being used to some extent, particularly in the Vatican City, where it is one of the official languages. Latin terminology is used extensively by biologists, palaeontologists and other scientists to name species and specimens, and also by doctors and lawyers.
So, as adam said dead language is still survive in this world, it really fits the definition to say that Latin is a dead language....:-)
sources:http://www.omniglot.com/writing/latin2.htm
Hahaha,yes,Adam,the word 'dead'somehow connotes a different image...anyway,that's English..
ReplyDeleteHmmm,well done Rosnina,see that's the power of discussion...! I can take a bet that you won't forget 'dead' and 'extinct' language and what they mean....!
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Deletethanx madam!
I won't forget that..(^_^)
Dead language simply means a language where has no native speakers or fluent speakers. it also could have the idioms, dialects. Example of dead language are the old, middle english. However it would still be used as the second language.
ReplyDeleteHowever extinct language means the language where it has no speakers and it is not used as well. it may be used at times for certain context such as in written form but not in ordinary or the spoken form.
hi guys .... sorry for late participation....
ReplyDeleteok based on my reserach.....
Dead language
* A language,that is no longer learned as a native language by a speech community.
Extinct language
* An extinct language is a language that no longer has any speaker or that is no longer in current use. Extinct languages are sometimes has total opposite characteristic with dead languages, which are still known and used in special contexts in written form, but not as ordinary spoken languages for everyday communication. However, language extinction and language death are often equated.
This is an example of extinct languages of Asia, languages which have undergone language death, have no native speakers, and no spoken descendant
The Ahom language is a nearly extinct Tai language spoken by the Ahom people who ruled the Brahmaputra river valley in the Indian state of Assam between the 13th and the 18th centuries.
Ahom Language characteristics
Ahom is classified as a Southwestern Tai language. It has its own script. Ahom has characteristics typical of Tai languages, such as:
• Subject Verb Object (SVO) word order
• Tonality
• Monosyllabic root.
• Each syllable is tonal, and begins with a consonant or consonant cluster. A vowel or diphthong follows. A final consonant may be added, but is not necessary.
• Lack of inflection
• Analytic syntax
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ReplyDeleteBased on what I have learned, I’ve found that extinct language can be consider as a language that don’t have any native speakers at all. This language also not known and not being learned by new generations and this is the reason why this language becomes extinct. The examples of extinct language is appears in Anglo Saxon (0ld English) which is Old Church Slavonic.
While a dead language is refers to a language that are no longer spoken but some people still use it as their second language. The best examples of dead language is Ancient Greek, Latin and Sanskrit. We can see that Latin is no longer spoken but in written form its still be used. Besides that, We can see also some dead language like Ancient Greek and Latin have been replaced by other language such as Ancient Greek it is slowly evolved into modern Greek, and Latin slowly evolved into modern Italian, Spanish, French, Romanian, and other languages. In the same way, the Old English of Chaucer's day is no longer spoken, but it has evolved into Modern English.
Lastly,I just want to share that based on my research most linguists agree that there are well over 5,000 languages in the world. A century from now, however, many of these languages may be extinct. Some linguists believe the number may decrease by half, some say the total could fall to mere hundreds as the majority of the world's language most spoken by a few thousand people or less give way to languages like English, Spanish, Portuguese, Mandarin Chinese, Russian, Indonesian, Arabic, Swahili, and Hindi. By some estimates, 80% of the world's languages may vanish within the next century. It is so sad to hear all of this because as we realize, when a community loses its language, it often loses a great deal of its cultural identity at the same time……=(